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Good and Bad Experience of Buying China OBDII Tools

Here are unbiased reviews of good and bad experience with Chinese companies for selling tool.

Here you go.


I have made good experiences with buying over Sites like because if you have some Trouble they help you at least to get your money back. You also can give feedback about sellers. good

i bought this and it works perfect and fast good

For me good seller > and good price good

I took a lot of devices here Good quality. good is a good place,i have bought 5-6 devices recently and I have cancel one order before it was shipped returned 1 order without too much of a hassle.Of course price for shipping back is outrageous,but that is well known.

And as Meroteki said,only problems with the clones.As good as the OPS,ICOM and Merecdes multiplexers work(most of them),the various programmers vary from bad to acceptable.

Smart companies(Carprog) give you the option to legalise your clone,or buy the software and the multiplexer only and get the adapters from China.Xprog dont want to sell you the box only and the soft,full package only for 3000 Euro.

EDIT:Now I remembered when i started buying first GT1 clones 6-7 years ago.They were in excess of $1000 and the sellers accepted only WU or wire transfer.If you get lucky it works right out of the box,but no more than a month.Sometimes none.If you send it back for repair,if you are lucky it gets returned as non-deliverable.Sometimes you dont see it ever again.

If there were not the clones,now the prices of everything would have been outrageous and most of the stuff would have been untouchable for the normal people like us.So,the truth is somewhere out there……..


6aliexpress: bad

I buy many times stuff from aliexpress, but the last time I ordered a carprog full and clearly spoke with the seller that i wanted singapore post for shipping.

It arrived with DHL and had to pay the import taxes. The worst of all is that the carprog doesn’t work at all. I only reads opel pin via k-line…. good

I bought the Bluetooth 2013.03 Delphi DS150E CDP Pro Diagnostic tool from All fine with the exception of it being mailed directly from China.

I had to pay U.K. import tax which was not mentioned anywhere so be warned. Bluetooth & USB mode work perfectly. Quick dispatch & good comms. from seller. fine

Bought autocom from The main board was not as advertised (no chockes installed despite being shown in pictures). Apart from that it works fine. bad

A friend of mine bought what he was thinking a full vas 5054a with AMB2300 bluetooth from

Company Name: chen xing

Country/Region: China (Mainland)


in fact this auction: HERE and the moment he got it came to show me, and test the tool, surprise tool was not working, let’s open it up and we did….. what was inside ….. BIG SURPRISE


THIS IS ONE BIG CHEATER, HIM AND HIS COMPANY something in pictures, another thing in reality.  SO BEWARE bad

Very bad service…arch=SD+C4

thid item 5set all wifi card not work and to much heat

after them recive money need police to get back or them send goods them know its bad or damage and say shipping back after that factory not agree replace and no moneyback


11xcar360: bad

My recent .. first and last buying from xcar360 with a faulty xprog 5.0. I ordered this one because it’s old and proved to be stable. However i received totally not working xprog. I opened it to see what surprises are inside. I haven’t seen so bad soldering by now. Requested paypal claim immediately and I was refunded by paypal, not the seller. The seller even didn’t give me the address where to ship it back and I had to search tough mail conversation. I paid for DHL shiping becasue I needed it to do something urgency, but also lied me in the beginning of my order. They dispatched the package 2 weeks after purchase. When I saw the date when DHL has picked up the package, they told me that they had problems with system.

I don’t recommend to anyone buying from xcar360. bad

I have a very bad experience with

Very bad seller, very bad service, liar He try to robbed me, actually Dispute is opened with paypal.

Don’t buy from him good

I have bought this : and they sent what was advertised. I have done module programming on 10+ cars (both PWM and CANbus) and every time without any issues. And I will do programming 100% as original good are good good

Here is a SP177 version with wifi , I have bought the same without wifi 1 month ago and it can do programming and everything a genuine VCM2 can link :


16 when we buy things from China, you should know

  1. There is a seller can get 100% satisfication from customers, neither Chinese seller nor sellers from other places like the States, EU, etc. It’s normal to see happiness and unhappiness from users.
    2. In my experience, I think is more of different culture and language barrier that cause a conflict.
    3. First we must acknowledge that we are buying a clone products, so dont put too high expectation on quality.
    4. When products break down, is really pain in the neck. I believe that they too dont want it to happen. Cos they too have to pay for the tools to return after repair.
    5.Of course there are some possibilities of some unethical seller out there to sucks our money but I personally felt is very rare. Chinese are ambitious people, they want big money wont after so small amount of money like few hundred USD. These cheater wont go far, so unlikely have such seller out there.
    6. If you put yourself in seller shoe, you also worried seller make a fast one on the product. Buyer spoilt the products due to improper handling. Or make a invalid or unreasonably claim. Probably the company have to fork out to remedy the damage. In another words, they may have their own difficulties which we as a buyer dont see it.
    7. Another common problem is over boostful on the products, these are commonly seen. just be more careful before payment. Most importantly is the products works and not the description.
    8. Is very common when you ask them anything, they will tell you “YES! CORRECT”. In actual case they dont even know what you are asking. They are weak in english! The best way to resolve this issue is by sending photo to verify. Photo is definitely better than thousands of words.
    9. Unless you can speak mandarin or their lingual, if not you will have language barrier between them.
    10. The person you talk to is just a low salary salesman or salesgirls. They may not have very strong products knowledge. These people turn over rate is very high. Example you walk into the big department store and ask the salesgirls on some products, they too look lost.
    11. Give them some patient and dont be too harsh on them and be nice , I believe they will help you. In return if someone speak rudely and harsh on you, will you help that person? “Courtesy is the best way for you and Me!” these is Singapore slogan.
    12. Misunderstanding is the main culprit in this topic. Hope mine explanation can help to resolve the 13. unhappiness to all buyers.
    Clones is always CLONES, dont have high expectation on it, so you wont fell bad which it break down.
  2. Happy buying.




How to program VW Polo 2009 4th IMMO NEC+24C32 Key with Lonsdor K518ise via OBD

This steps guide of  how to use  Lonsdor K518 key programmer program VW Polo 2009 4th IMMO NEC+24C32 Key via OBD.

Key information:

Original key: 3-button folding remote key

Frequency: 433MHz

Chip type: Special ID48 chip (TP23)

Device to program: Lonsdor K518ISE key programmer





Connect K518 host with vehicle via OBD diagnostic socket

Select Immobilizer->VAG->4th Immobilizer->Identify Immo type



Lonsdor K518 identified immo type: 4th IMMO




K518 detect vehicle part number and immo type



Select NEC 24C32



Then Backup EEPROM and save data




Select Read Immobilizer data



Lonsdor K518ISE read vehicle information: VIN, CS, PIN, key number and key ID



Select Make Dealer Key



Push card slot on K518 main unit from right direction

Insert new key to be programmed into card slot





Select Key Learn



Enter key number to be programmed (keys that will start vehicle )



Insert key and turn ignition on one by one

I.E, Dashboard shows 1-2 means 1 key has been learnt, 2-2 means 2 keys have done



Program success.



Test remote and star car





What’s the difference between Orange 5 genuine and copy version

Orange 5 Programmer Original VS clone,Let’s check the PCB, adapters, capabilities, and reviews here.



Orange5 original price: US$1,299

Orange 5 clone price: US$179



Left: Original

Right: Clone

Orange5 original vs clone



OEM Orange 5 (clone) : Blue board and adapters

Original Orange5: Green board and adapters

Clone comes with software CD cause software is not able to download and update

Original does not with CD, you can download it on official website

Orange5 original comes with more adapters





PCB layouts:





So, what’s the difference when using Orange 5 genuine and copy version? Read the reviews here. Customers talk the truth.


Genuine Orange 5 review:

Orange 5 Original vs Clone:

Do not get confused by Orange pricing. Orange charge separately for the device, the immo software, the airbag software and the radio software, plus a few specials.

All this comes with the clone.

To compare the two, you must add up all the costs from Orange. There is a very large saving if you buy the clone. But you cannot update it and you have no support from Scorpio. It will suit some people for sure. The adapters are poor quality, and for many the hardware does not work. No doubt as time goes by will will see huge threads about how to fix them. The company who makes it does not have a good reputation for quality or support.


I do not regret buying original Orange5 and Tango key programmer. But when I did there were no clones available as an alternative.


As for the Tango clone, it’s PCB and components are nothing like the original, and of a very poor quality. I have not seen inside an Orange5 clone yet.


Clone Orange5 reviews/test report:


I buy Orange5 china clone. Work great. Now i check in hc05b8, hc11e9, end eproms. All read and write very fast.

I have never had any problems with clone, everything works as it should, knock on wood.

I don’t know is there any scripts but softwares for immo,radio and dash coming together with clone.



On Hc908az60 secured it work’s good.

I have 4 secured mcu, and they work ok.

I have tried 68hc11, allot of eproms, and it work’s just perfect.

I don’t have right now anithing else.

Clone but includes – Immo HPX 9V0

confirmed that oem orange 5 comes with immo hpx 9.0 and adapter set



I have clone and work perfect.

2j74y ok

35080 ok

Tms immo opel ok

Hc05 immo old vw ok



I have Orange 5 clone and everything works perfect for now.

I tested with 1J35D,4J74Y,1D69J,0D69J,0F82B,3K91D,TMS370c702



OEM clone seem work good after report from some users. Just need rework solder points on Moto adapter.

I am not aware of a clone Orange 5 yet. But if it says not updatable then it must be a clone. Original ones are sold by Chinese sellers as well. Prices can vary depending on the bundled software.



i have this Orange5 clone and work everytime with him. not work car radio option.i think isn’t bad clone and not expansive.



I have just bought orange 5 programmer and all seems to work well happy

I got fed up with my genuine upa usbs programmer which didn’t seem to want to read anything, it went through the motions and said success reading a load of zeros gavel

Straight out of the box this Orange 5 clone read and write eproms 95640 and 95P08C3 in circuit no problem with no errors, but I had to make sure that my connections to the chip via test clip were all good and then tool work like charm nerd

I think I like it so far.



I have it for a long time and for now everything is working properly.

One of the few clones that works well and works as an original.

So far its reading and writing (with verify) all eeproms i try. Good tool so far.

Some adapters are not supplied and must be purchased separately Adapters should be resolder for sure but it isn’t so bad ,at all

The main point orange 5 clone isn’t so bad as clones can be.

Good investment for sure .


I like PIN checking function (test insertions) very much .It saved my job a lot of time.

In combination with my UPA -S,CarProg,and mini pro TL866 a lot of job can be done successfully .

Great programmer. All that is stated works. If the speed of exchange is not important, you can do a lot. Many good calculators.



You make your choice.